2 thoughts on “Spain and Catalonia can find a way forward. Here’s what they must do | Gerry Adams

  1. Independentist here.

    That’s a nice article. The Guardian has good writers.

    It misses the key point though, which makes all what the article says impossible in the frame of Spain. (I mean, if that was possible, we wouldn’t find ourselves in this scenario; but it isn’t, and that’s why we find ourselves in those kafkaesque situations.)


    >The process must be inclusive, with all parties treated as equals and mandates respected.

    That’s… just impossible.

    Catalonia is a subject to Spain. Catalonia *is not* a political subject. It’s a territory. Catalonia as a political subject has the same power as any other autonomous community without a nation that doesn’t identify with the spanish nation in it. There’s no difference in the Constitution that says Catalonia or any other part is special in a political sense.

    If Catalonia *were* a political subject in Spain, there would have been dialogue the last years. But it isn’t. Hence the EU stance of supporting the law *and* dialogue with “all parties treated as equals” is a contradiction in terms. And it’s unproductive.

    >None of this is likely to deflect the independence movement in Catalonia. On the contrary, as the international experience shows only too often, heavy-handed tactics by the state frequently result in greater opposition and resistance.

    That’s very correct.

    That’s why Catalonia has been asking Europe for help for a long time. But because of the aforementioned, it’s impossible to get that help.

    That being said, a little, final note on the opening of the article:

    >The campaign for independence by the people of Catalonia from the Spanish state goes back many generations. It has always been peaceful. It has always been non-violent.

    Always? More on the contrary, dude! This is *the first time* it’s been peaceful in our common history.

    Spain bombed Barcelona 3 times in the last 300 years. Spain executed a democratically elected Catalan President 80 years ago, and has yet to apologise for it.

    There’s been NO time in Spain’s democratic history where there haven’t been conflicts with it’s nationalities. Basque terrorists ETA were active for 3 of the 4 decades of Spain’s democracy, and as soon as ETA ended, the catalan conflict started.

    So no, no way. Spain has always been violent: it’s in it’s history as a Country. But Spain is not violent and radical like, idk, France. French cut their kings heads back in the day. And they did in an effective manner. That makes some sense.

    Not in Spain. In Spain people just beat each other for no other reason than being angry. In Spain people like to see the other side suffer. The spanish version of the guillotine was the [garrote](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote), an appartus that strangled you to death.

    At any of it’s parts misbehaving, Spain has always shown it’s worse face. And it’s starting showing it again. Attacks from far-right groups (like the one we witnessed in Valencia a few days ago) aren’t being prosecuted, but are met with police compliance.

  2. There’s never been any great compromise or negotiation or victory for the IRA. They surrendered after becoming fully infiltrated by British intelligence and when every major figure was on the cusp of being arrested. Cowards really. They negotiated because they were completely smashed by the UK.

    Still, I’m glad he wasn’t shot. It must be torture enough living everyday knowing that despite his efforts Northern Ireland will always be part of the UK.

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